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Don't Blame the Victim!


By Suzi LeVeaux - Posted on 26 March 2012

ABC News is reporting the following :  George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.  Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

It is also being reported that Trayvon was staying in Sanford at the time because he'd been suspended from Krop High School in Miami after being found with an empty bag of marijuana in his booksack.

If Zimmerman was in his car, how did Trayvon attack him?  That makes no sense.
We can discuss the facts about how the altercation transpired when, and if, more facts emerge.
The thing I'm very angry about is the attempt to use the media to "blame the victim", thereby giving Zimmerman cover.  So what if the teenager was supsended for marijuana?  What does that have to do with him being shot and killed?  It's an attempt to destroy the reputation of a dead boy, in a way killing him all over again.  

This can be likened to the way many women are treated following a rape.  If she dressed a certain way, was sexually active, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, somehow she deserved it and is responsible for the crime committed against her.  The same tactic is being used in this case.  But Trayvon will have no opportunity to mentally and emotionally recover.  He will have no chance to grow up and be a productive citizen.  The child is DEAD!!

To attempt to smear him, or somehow shift the responsibility for what happened is a horrible statement on our society.  

Blame the victim?  NO!  How can this teenager be blamed for his own death, even if he fought back when faced by someone with a gun?  Wouldn't "Stand Your Ground" apply to him too? 

Suzi I saw the writing on the wall. I knew the police was going to dig deep to try to destroy this boy's image but I really think it is not going to stick with the general public. They are trying to paint him as a THUG therefore Zimmerman must have been  afraid for his life and the killing was justified. This case is going to be a long and dirty case!!  I wonder was drugs found in his system?? even still, Trayvon did not deserve to die!!--- I wonder why the media has not released Zimmerman's drug history. I am sure he has drunk liquid, probably heavier alcohol. The police did a poor job in checking Zimmerman for drugs. REMEMBER Zimmerman's DAD is a Judge!!! that is how he got off with assaulting a police officer. The police is protecting a Judges son!!

 

The police had no intention of doing a thorough investigation of Zimmerman!!---- I believe Trayvon's family will get a pro bono from some prominent lawyers because the NAACP is involved in the case.  I have a strong feeling that  this case is not going to rest until Trayvon gets justice. The State Department can lie all they want; they can try and destroy Trayvon's image but the vast majority of the Public will not accept that this is sufficient enough reason for Zimmerman to kill Trayvon!!  We are all looking for the facts to come out and no doubt a lot of twisted and tainted information is coming out. It would be a travesty if Trayvon's family never got justice for the killing of their son!!--- If Zimmerman felt completely justified in his killing of Trayvon, then why is Zimmerman crying and asking his friends to tell the public he is sorry??? If he is really convinced that his life was in jeopardy and he had to defend himself from some deranged teenager, then why is he remorseful?? He is full of crap and his conscience is eating him up and his life is over as he know it!! ----despite the outcome, Zimmerman will not be able to walk the streets of the United states openly for a long time!! I am not suggesting something should happen to him but this situation is too strong and the public probably won't forget it!!

I agree with all you said.....

Something else to consider. Zimmerman is saying Trayvon followed him to his car. Let's sort that out....Where did the crime occur as relating to the location of his vehicle? Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend discredits Zimmerman’s claims as she states she was on the phone with Martin at the time of the attack. Those records will be obtained and if proven that Trayvon and his girlfriend were on the phone in the moments before the attack, her words will be invaluable. Most people will readily agree that no one chases down someone ready to physically assault them while talking on the phone.

The leaked "evidence" from the police is designed to give them cover and in some ways it is working because people are now starting to put the victim on trial or at least question the truth. I heard a radio show host today say "Wow. Looks like we didn't look at all the facts. Apparently, Treyvon beat up Zimmerman so maybe it was self-defense. And those photos we keep seeing of Treyvon are from when he was 14. So he is actually not just a boy, but a young man. Maybe not so innocent. And he may have provoked the attack..." I sent an email complaining about it: [Not trying to cause trouble but I was concerned by your brief discussion of the Treyvon Martin case. First of all, I agree that Spike Lee was wrong to tweet what he thought was the address of Zimmerman. As much as law enforcement has fumbled the ball on this case, we should let the investigations deal with Zimmerman. I also agree that we can't judge until all the facts come out. But the things you referred to were leaked by the police and are probably "cover" for them for their poor investigation. You are doing exactly what they designed-planting some doubt. There are reports Zimmerman was injured in the altercation but you said on air "Treyvon beat up Zimmerman" That is a biased remark assuming he was not just fighting for his life. Do we say women deserved rape when the accused has scratches all over his face? We have a young 17 year old (why one thinks showing his photo at 17 rather than 14 makes a difference I don't understand.) He is a young man whose life was cut short who told his girlfriend he was being followed. The 911 tape confirms this (along with a racial slur) & shows Zimmerman was pursuing him, not the opposite. He was confronted by a man twice his size with a gun! Wouldn't you want your own child to fight back? I really think we need to be careful not to be influenced by the bias out there.] I think the initial outrage and rallies of support were only natural given the facts we DO know and the 911 call. Although I will admit I am appalled at the way the case was handled and the fact that Zimmerman was never arrested, I certainly think we need to let all the facts come out and let a court decide, not just jump to conclusions. But if outside agencies were not investigating or if we did not have a 911 tape, it kills me to think that Zimmerman could just walk away free with the police believing his story and that "stand your ground law" protecting him. I disagree with the Black Panthers calling for Zimmerman's head and some people (including Spike Lee) trying to post the address of Zimmerman. It just makes them look bad and distracts from the real issues. I know it's hard to trust the criminal justice system if you are African American but you just can't take the law into your own hands.

And another idiot reporter who apparently knows nothing chimes in.  In your own words above Zimmerman went back to his car---nothing said about getting into it.  How was he attacked, if not in the car, very easily.   Apparently called police to report a suspicious person, and then was attacked for what reason.  A lot of younger people anymore have attitudes and go off just because they feel like it.  I am not saying the killing was justified at all, but until the entire investigation is over, nut cases like you should shut up and quit trying to paint someone as an angel.  Too many times, anymore, in this country people are tried and found guilty in the press before an investigation has hardly started although we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  One of the main things too bad about this case is the apparent lack of witnesses.  Ridiculous rants like yours do nothing but foment unrest.  Keep your trap shut until the entire story comes out from the authorities and then maybe you will have something to report other than claptrap.

Randy, If I ever want or need your advice on my blogging, I'll ask for it.  Unless that happens, I suggest you not be so rude, and skip the name calling.

What part of  "We can discuss the facts about how the altercation transpired when, and if, more facts emerge." which I wrote in the blog, do you not understand?

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And another idiot reporter who apparently knows nothing chimes in.  In your own words above Zimmerman went back to his car---nothing said about getting into it.  How was he attacked, if not in the car, very easily.   Apparently called police to report a suspicious person, and then was attacked for what reason.  A lot of younger people anymore have attitudes and go off just because they feel like it.  I am not saying the killing was justified at all, but until the entire investigation is over, nut cases like you should shut up and quit trying to paint someone as an angel.  Too many times, anymore, in this country people are tried and found guilty in the press before an investigation has hardly started although we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  One of the main things too bad about this case is the apparent lack of witnesses.  Ridiculous rants like yours do nothing but foment unrest.  Keep your trap shut until the entire story comes out from the authorities and then maybe you will have something to report other than claptrap.

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If he was attacked near his car how did they get to the crime scene.  According to the 911 tape Zimmerman saw Trayvon at the club house.  He was killed a ways away from there closer to his home then to where Zimmerman was parked.  Zimmerman had to follow him to the crime scene.  Did Zimmerman follow him in his car to the crime scene then get out.  If so why?   Trayvon had to be afraid for his own life.  I think Trayvon was standing down since he had to think Zimmerman was a threat.  I have been followed before in a car and almost run off the road.  If that person would have run me off and gotten close enough I would have fought for my life because I felt this person was out to hurt or kill me.  What would you do?

Ever since the Duke Lacrosse case, I have never allowed myself to pretend that I know what happened at the scene of an alleged crime. My gut tells me that Zimmerman is and was an over-anxious wannabe cop who assumed a young black man was a threat to his life, but I won't go with my gut, at least until we have some more facts. Event then, cases like this are impossible to fully understand.

I wish people would focus more on the lack of an arrest here. It never occured to me that you could go out, shoot someone dead and then tell the cops that it was in self-defense, and then be let go free. Before this, I would have assumed that the "stand your ground" law would be applicable only as a defense against a manslaughter charge-- something to be used once you were put on trial.

I am with you on the lack of an arrest.  You tell the police you are following somone. They tell you not to. You end up shooting that person fatally.  Maybe a visit downtown would be in order.

I would like to give my thoughts regarding the Trayvon issue.  First of all, Zimmerman was acquitted before a due process was even in place; the State's Attorney and the Police Captain decided that Zimmerman was innocent without considering the “Probable cause”. Mr. Zimmerman was initially placed under arrest because he was placed in handcuffs and brought to the police station. ( The only way a person can be  placed in hand cuff is during an arrest and his rights are explained to him as to the reason the police is restraining him  or taking his liberties away from him) no police can arrest a person without “probable cause” along with explaining that reason to the person. What was the reason for the police placing the handcuff on Zimmerman??

Mr. Zimmerman was brought to the police station where the due process ENDED!! To establish probable cause a probable cause hearing is the preliminary ( first step)  hearing typically taking place before arraignment and before a serious crime goes to trial. The judge is presented with the basis of the prosecution's case, and the defendant is afforded full right of cross-examination and the right to be represented by legal counsel. If the prosecution cannot make a case of probable cause, the “court” must dismiss the case against the accused. None of these things took place to determine if there was evidence that Zimmerman had cause for a self-defense case.  The police simply took him at his words without comparing it to standard police practice of establishing if there was a “probable cause” or whether the defendant had true reasons for self-defense. “Chris Serino, the lead detective on the case, expressed that he filed an affidavit on the night of the shooting stating that he was unconvinced about Zimmerman's version of events”. Chris sought for a manslaughter charge against Zimmerman after looking at all the data and evidence. The state’s attorney disregarded the lead detective’s assessment without considering the evidence.

 

The Mayor of Sanford had to overturn the police Dept’s resistance to turning the audiotapes over to the attorneys. The police Captain expressed that the tapes will work against Trayvon ( well that is all the more reason to establish the so called self-defense claims by Zimmerman!!!); therefore,  that  was their reason for not giving up the tapes!! Lol--- When a crime is committed in a community; the public has the right to know the nature of the crime and if justice has been established so these actions will not continue in their community. There is no such thing as a “secret arrest”. Being that due process was not even considered in Zimmerman’s case, the public had to demand that the law enforcement uphold the law by shinning the media light on the case. As of now, there seems to be a semblance of due process but every person, local, and state official is held to some type of standard and when those standards are not being followed, then there needs to be an intervention. Because the system is imperfect, the media is brought in to bring about more transparency. The notion that discussions on a blog site will render the evidence admissible in court is ridiculous!!  These are more scare tactics to keep the voices silent so the case loose its momentum; the motivation behind this notion is to decrease the normal outrage and therefore take the eyes off of injustice!!  Here are more video tapes on flaws and cover up by the Sanford police dept.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44258842#46910779

 

Zimmerman hasn't been "acquitted" of anything, because he hasn't been charged with a crime.

That said, the local police botched the investigation, and now other authorities (the state's attorney, or FBI) may have problems conducting their probe. For instance, Zimmerman wasn't tested for drugs or alcohol at the time he was initially detained.

I do believe he is going to be arrested and charged with at least manslaughter. Where the case goes from there is anyone's guess.

What I find disturbing is the suggestion that Zimmerman could make use of Florida's stand your ground law, because he was in fear for his life. It seems to me Trayvon, since Zimmerman was following him, could have been in fear for his life as well, in which case the stand your ground law could apply to him as well. The only problem there is that, since Trayvon is dead, he cannot tell authorities how he felt with Zimmerman following him.

You said it right; he was “not charged with a crime!” My comment was figuratively and not literally. No due process was intended in this case until the media got involved. The police did not have to collect evidence because they had declared Zimmerman innocent of murder based on the so call STAND YOUR GROUND LAW. The police dept. did not botch this case; they simply deliberately omitted from collecting evidence because they were acting as judge and jury.

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You said it right; he was “not charged with a crime!” My comment was figuratively and not literally. No due process was intended in this case until the media got involved. The police did not have to collect evidence because they had declared Zimmerman innocent of murder based on the so call STAND YOUR GROUND LAW. The police dept. did not botch this case; they simply deliberately omitted from collecting evidence because they were acting as judge and jury.

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I think it was blotched because any time a protential crime is committed you have to take evidence while they are fresh.  Rarely would a killer admit to killing someone in cold blood.  They should have done an investigation to find out what really happened.

 

I am a little nervous now that the States attorney in Trayvon's case has decided that she does not need a Grand Jury to decide whether they have found probable cause to charge watchdog Zimmerman with murder!!---- I guess it could go either way??--- This is going to be a long battle if Zimmerman is set free---! He will be slapped with civil lawsuits; I heard that the neighborhood watch association is at risk at being sued by the family. During this election year, the Gun laws will continue to a debate in the media which will impact or sway the way people will vote!! --I hope and pray that the Martin's family can finally find peace in the midst of all this travesty!

State law in Florida REQUIRES a charge of first degree murder be done via grand jury. The special prosecutor did not want to go the grand jury route because, if the grand jury had chosen not to indict Zimmerman, he would then have been free of all charges, and could not have been charged any other way. In other words, the special prosecutor wanted to guarantee (as best she could) that Zimmerman would face a jury. A judge could still free Zimmerman before trial if he accepts a "Stand Your Ground" defense, which motion the defense will undoubtedly make. There is a 95% chance that that defense motion will be denied, however.

Also, a change of venue from Sanford is possible, as that is another motion the defense will make later on. I have no idea how that will be ruled on, since I can't think of many places in this country where the publicity of this case hasn't influenced potential jurors.

I am still ambivalent about the whole Zimmerman case. I have heard that a judge could dismiss or acquit Zimmerman based on the “Stand your Ground” law and the case would not get to a jury. However, there is still a federal investigation going on even thou the state has charged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. I am sure people have various opinions regarding this case which is expected; there are no winners in this situation. It is amazing how this gun law gives legal rights for citizens to kill other citizens with minimal reason regarding self-defense.  

The law was designed to protect law abiding citizens from criminals; unfortunately, this law has empowered criminals even more along with vigilantes and those with “Jim crow” mindsets.  I have listened to several arguments among legal professionals regarding the validity of this law in Zimmerman’s case. What sadden me is that they are more concerned about how this law is capable of protecting Zimmerman verses Zimmerman’s unjust and unethical behavior. Here we have a life which is gone for no good reason and the legal minds are arguing whether Zimmerman had a right to take Trayvon’s life. What have we come to as a nation?? This is so sad!!

Let’s put aside the Law for a minute and deal with reason and morality. If Zimmerman was a conscientious person who respected the law, the neighborhood association’s policy and respect for human life ( I assume he does). When he first saw Trayvon and his antennas went up and he thought that Trayvon could possibly be a criminal; he made the first and appropriate choice by calling the police since he was not familiar with seeing Trayvon in the community. When he contacted the Police and gave them information and identification of Trayvon, he could have left it in the hands of the authorities to assess Trayvon’s motives. However, if he decided to take it to the next step and pursue Trayvon, he could have identified himself and informed Trayvon that he was only interested in the safety of the community and that he was unfamiliar with him or ask whether Trayvon was lost or did he need assistance of any kind in order to diffuse or distract the situation from escalating.

Clearly Zimmerman knew Trayvon was a kid because he told the dispatcher that he looked to be in his upper teens. As an adult, the expectation is that Zimmerman should have been able to assess the situation and determine whether he should continue to approach a frighten child in the dark. No one can determine how they would respond to an aggressive stranger in the dark; I can’t even imagine Trayvon’s thoughts. Apparently he was scared because he was running away from Zimmerman!!--- I don’t even think Trayvon was thinking logically, which is not unusual for a kid in the dark. Zimmerman as the adult had complete command of the situation because he had contacted the authorities and identified Trayvon’s clothing, physical attributes and the direction he was running in. Zimmerman was not in harm’s way and he was completely familiar with the community and its surroundings.    

Any reasonable adult would approach a teenager or child in the dark with caution. I understand Zimmerman’s perception that there had been several break ins and he did not want another criminal getting away; however, he knew he had the upper hand because he was carrying a 9mm gun!! My assumption is that Zimmerman, as the adult, lost control of the situation by not assessing the circumstance and maintaining a level and clear head; he allowed his emotions to get the best of him and approached a frightened teen in a very confrontational manner! My guess is that Zimmerman’s ego or pride was challenged when Trayvon was running away from him so his competitive side took over and he disregarded the seriousness of the situation!!   Zimmerman did not use reasonable judgment as an adult pursuing a teenager. He clearly did not deescalate or diffuse the issue.

Also, I hear arguments that if the situation goes to trial, will Zimmerman get a “fair trial?”  Are you kidding me??  Zimmerman will not be the first high profile case!! Michael Jackson, who was an icon, doctor was charged with manslaughter for Michael Jackson’s death. What about the Casey Anthony’s case or O Jay Simpson’s case??  The primary reason neither one of these people got charged with murder was because both defendants denied murdering their victim and there was no DNA evidence to link them directly to the murder. However, Zimmerman has admitted to killing Trayvon with proof with his GUN but the only thing that stands in the way is a very vague law that could be interpreted in favor of the perpetrator!!

The thing that gives me a little glimmer of hope is that the federal investigators are still doing their investigation and the States attorney “Corey” has vowed to fight it if Zimmerman is acquitted. If he goes to trial, the media will be a part of this case as well; it will be plastered all over the media on a continuous basis possibly.  I believe cameras are allowed in the court room at times just as in the O Jay Simpson, Michael Jackson and Casey Anthony cases!!  This will not be a reclusive closed trial just because it is Zimmerman!!--- Just like all the other high profile cases, it will be polarizing and contentious. All of a sudden some people want this trial out of the media because it involves a young black male who was murdered by a white Hispanic male. This should be “hush hush”.  We don’t want to be reminded of the ugliness of profiling individuals and its horrific end result on someone’s life.

People are crying that Zimmerman won’t get a fair trial (Give me a break!).  I do believe that Zimmerman is in reality at this moment and may be remorseful of his actions but that should not alleviate him of his actions!! He cannot take back what he did and therefore he should face a trial as in all cases where a life is taken.

The civil rights leaders are being labeled as race baiters because they are making sure that race was not involved in Trayvon’s murder. Zimmerman would not have been looked at for  a second time had it not been for the public pressure. When a woman’s right has been violated the “women rights organizations” are not being accused of “men haters or baiters”. If a homosexual was targeted or discriminated against then it is without a question a “hate crime”. But to mention discrimination or injustice to African Americans’ is considered “race baiting”

The blatant deaf ears and blind eyes to racial injustice is mind boggling.  The naysayers want to label anyone who identifies hate and racial injustice as a way to silence and put people to shame for bringing the issue to the forefront.  I don’t believe labeling, using of guilt or shame is going to stop people from using the word “Racist, Hate and discrimination”.  When there is a question in doubt that someone has been unjustly  treated because of their race, sexual orientation, religion or gender, then the appropriate authorities or advocates should get involved despite the resistance and naysayers. However, I realize these are polarizing times due to the political climate and the heightened media and social media.

I am so out done that Zimmerman's Lawyer says that Zimmerman is frustrated that he was even charged at all!!   --- are you kidding me??! ----Zimmerman is frustrated because he was charged with murder?? The ego this guy has is amazing!! the delusion that he is all powerful and can take a life with no consequences!! ----Good luck to the lawyer who is representing this egomaniac.  i understand that Zimmerman deserves his due process but the nerve of him to think that he is beyond questioning??----

http://globalgrind.com/news/Attorney-Says-Zimmerman-Is-Stressed-Frustrated-Details

 

I believe we will see uncontrollable behaviors at times from Zimmerman if there is a trial. He may exhibit high and low emotions ranging from looking sad and depressed to looking angry!! sociopath can't hide their coldness. I am convinced that we will see a glimpse of Zimmerman's true colors as the trial progresses.  Unbelievable how he is concerned because he does not have his life back as he know it!!  I hope he is sent to trial and the evidence is presented and the decision fall where ever it may.

In the early days following the shooting, I heard TV reports that his friends said Zimmerman had shown quite a bit of remorse for what happened.  I'm not convinced he's an egomaniac. 

I'm not defending his actions by any means; however, I can't help but think back to the days when the security guard who discovered the Olympic Park bomb in Atlanta was convicted in the media but it turned out he wasn't guilty after all. 

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