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The Palin Bounce? Not so Fast


By Quackers - Posted on 10 September 2008

It looks like the Sarah Palin bounce occurred mostly in the South where Obama was not going to win anyway. Some in the East where Obama has it largely locked up, a very little in the Midwest, and Zip in the West. In my opinion this was the 'base' coming home to McCain and unless she gains serious traction in the coming weeks outside the South, McCain isn't really in a much better position than before picking her. Just this once, let me be right:>)

 

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Remember,  originally Obama thought he was going to be competitive in all 50 states.  The campaign even bragged about taking North Carolina where now McCain has a 20 point lead.

What Palin has done by shoring up the base in the South is allow the Republicans to now focus on the 3 big battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan instead of having to worry about the South.

We (true Republicans) need to shore up our base in the interior west and we've got this thing won. 

We (true Republicans)

Oh, great... Perfect use of the No True Scotsman fallacy to demonstrate your keen appreciation for logical argumentation.

It is quite obvious most of these posters on this website are liberals pretending to be republicans.  They are even trying to portray obama as a conservative.  Are you kidding? 

Rino, we get people like you every other day. You're welcome to read up on all the answers to all the previous people who have shown up and said, "what the hell?!" Or you can email questions to John or me or whomever.

I'd like to see you demonstrate how McCain is a conservative, btw.

I never said McCain is a conservative, so why are you putting words in my mouth?  I read the posts and trying to portray obama as a conservative is a joke.  If you want to compare who is more conservative, McCain or obama, it still is not even close.  Unless, you liberals changed conservative to mean high taxes, bigger government, pro-choice, more gun laws, sex-ed in kindergarden, etc

Obama suggests higher taxes because he thinks we should pay for our program. Obama is a tax-and-spend politician. McCain is simply spend-and-spend, resulting in increased deficit spending and a further deflated dollar.

 

Barbara, Obama has been backing off his tax stance as of late stating he wouldn't raise taxes in a recession.  That effectively states that taxes have a negative affect on the economy.  So why raise them in a good economy?  If he doesn't raise taxes due to economic condition, how will he pay for spending.  Not that the proposed tax increases would cover his spending anyway.

If you think Obama is a flaming liberal, then you need to disable FOX, shut off Rush, and look for some actual facts.  If all you care about is high taxes, fine, but then that means you think it's fine to max out the national credit cards and let someone else pay the bills.  As to bigger government, where were you when Bush presided over the largest expansion of government since FDR? Pro choice is the law of the lands and the MAJORITY of Americans want it to stay that way. Gun laws? I haven't heard anything about guns laws at all, just a tired bugaboo squawking again. And the biggie.....sex-ed in Kindergarten. Let me know when it's officially harmfull to tykes to tell them the stork is a fairy tale?

Here's something fun for you, it's an Obama tax calculator.

I see we have another individual who could benefit from training in informal fallacies.

I don't know about you, aileron, but I have found that trying to employ any logic online is hopeless.

<sigh>  You're right.  Perhaps that is why over the years I have learned to love computers more and humans less.  All is not lost though.  My company disproportionally rewards me because they think my sullen, brooding attitude toward them and my love affairs with the pure logic of computers' 1's and 0's means I'm a lot smarter than I am.

Obama never thought he would be competitive in all 50 states. What he said was he was going to "contest" all 50 states. Big difference.

 

True that is what he said wcolin. 

But is there really that much of a difference in the terms.

In a national political campaign, one does not spend money contesting a state unless they think they have a chance of being competitive. 

"But is there really that much of a difference in the terms."

Why, yes, there is.  

Gosh Brandon, I like having you around here.  You're a good old-fashioned barrel of laughs, for me.  

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Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.

What is your comment on my main point:

In a national political campaign, one does not spend money contesting a state unless they think they have a chance of being competitive. 

Not interested in that. Was simply speaking to your incorrect assertion above.  But if you want to change subjects, it just occurred to me that McCain is no longer riding the Straight Talk Express (if he ever was).  I'm gonna start calling it the Trash Talk Express. You know, based on all those ugly, specious ads.  If someone here want to snag that and use it as a tagline, that'd be cool.  I already have to many taglines of my own to use it. 

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.
I am definitely going to run with "Trash Talk Express" online!  Brilliant!

Well alright!   Hope you don't mind, but if I drop either of the taglines below ("Cheney/Vaj ..."  or "Deathwatch"), that I can use it too.  Deal?

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.

Well, you did get one thing right, Brandon. PA, OH, and MI will decide this. Whoever takes 2 of the three, will likely win. And if anyone takes all three, it's lights out!

 

I believe Obama will get PA and MI - OH is still up for grabs.

Back to the post topic...

Some new battleground polls out from CNN/Time/Opinion Research.

-- Michigan: Obama up 49%-45%.
-- Missouri: McCain up 50%-45%.
-- New Hampshire: Obama up 51%-45%.
-- Virginia: McCain up 50%-46%

Mixed news but things will be ok in the end.

 

Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz, a pollster whose mathematical model has correctly predicted every winner of the White House popular vote since 1988 is banking on a decisive victory for Democrat Barack Obama in November. - Link

Obama/Biden 2008
I may not be a "true Republican" according to those who like to swing labels like a sword, but I am a true American. Obama is best for this nation. If McCain's lowest of the low smut represent the best in America, by all means support the guy.

Just as I thought, like most people on this website, you are not republicans at all.  Just stop pretending to be republicans, it is quite obvious this is a phony website.

I'm saying this kindly, but I doubt if you're old enough to remember any true Republicans.

Rino impersonation:

I hate it when I repeat myself

I hate it when I repeat myself   

I hate it when I repeat myself

I hate it when I repeat myself

I hate it when I repeat myself  ...

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.
Call me whatever you'd like, my vote still counts the same and it is going to Obama.

 Here here!

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.

But what should give you concern Izzy when you say Obama is best for this nation is that you don't really have anything to base that on other than pretty rhetoric.

Obama has little or no experience in governing, so we don't really know.  You are trusting his words.

With Reagan, he had been governor of our largest state for 8 years so we had some idea of what he would be like.

Same with Bill Clinton. 

Good grief, I must have entirely missed Governor McCain? If you're referring to Palin, I think she's at the BOTTOM of the ticket. Why do I keep getting the feeling that on the Republican side there is a proxy race being run where it's the VP running for President?

I think being a governor generally prepares one for being president better than being a senator.

However, McCain has been in the Senate for 22 years.  I don't think anyone but the most partisan liberal hacks would say McCain doesn't have the experience to be president.

Palin is 100% unqualified to be vice president. 

Yuh, because someone who's been governor over a bunch of snow, some igloos and a few people for a few months, trumps someone who, for 11 years, has Senatorial leadership over oodles of people in a country that some  hockey mom wishes to secede from.  

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.

Now you are right, McCain has considerable experience.  But he is also old, broken, and has recurring issues with an extremely aggressive form of cancer (melanoma).  Palin, like other VPs must be qualified to be a President, not just a VP.  And of course she isn't.  She has only managed a relative handful of people, compared to anyone else on either ticket.  

Now that's not change we can believe in, Friends.

 

Cheney/Random Vajayjay  2008

McCain/Palin Deathwatch, September 9 '08:  McCain presently has a (partially complimentary) 45% chance of winning the election.

Don't worry, Izzy. Your are a true Republican and a patriot. Pay no attention to Brandon or Rino on that score!

 

Brandon did you just admit Palin is 100% unqualified to be vice president? Am I reading this wrong or have you finally seen the light? Ha Ha!

kwilsrn I have said many times that Palin is 100% unqualified to be the vice president of the United States.

 

So what does John McCain's selection of her as a VP tell you about his competence as a leader?  In his one major decision as a presidental candidate, he chose someone to be second in line who is 100% unqualified.  Either he doesn't agree that she's unqualified, in which case he is delusional; or he knows she's unqualified and still chose her for ulterior motives, which does not bespeak well of his Country First argument. 

Matt Damon On Palin: "Like A Really Bad Disney Movie... Totally Absurd," (Video)

"The hockey mom, you know, 'oh, I'm just a hockey mom'... and she's facing down President Putin... It's totally absurd... it's a really terrifying possibility... I need to know if she really think that dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago. I want to know that, I really do. Because she's gonna have the nuclear codes."

P.S. She never said dinosaurs were here 4,000 ago.

Obama/Biden 2008

But don't you know. Misty, that the earth is only 6000 years old (creationist theory). All of these "scientists" that say 4 1/2 billion years are smoking crack! Haha!

Science is bad! Bush administration rule number 1.

 

 

>I think being a governor generally prepares one for being president better than being a senator.<

 Yep - and we all see how well it turned out when GOVERNOR George W. Bush became president!! God, what a horrible argument.

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