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Pelosi: "We have the votes"

Nancy Pelosi says she has the votes to pass HCR. She did an interview set to air tonight on Charlie Rose and excerpts can be seen by clicking here.

The important part is this:

When asked if she believed the House would end up having the votes to approve healthcare.

"If we took it up today, yes," the speaker quickly added.

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RomneyCare 2.0 here we come!

Well, she did say many were

Well, she did say many were waiting to see the CBO report (might come out tomorrow or Friday) but she must have confidence based on her general sense of where people are leaning. The real whip count will begin after that CBO report is digested/analyzed-crossing my fingers that RomneyCare-uh, I mean ObamaCare, is on it's way!!!!

Get the facts on health care

Get the facts on health care reform.  Spread the word. Be informed.

 

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/finalmarch-day1

 

 

correction - they bought

correction - they bought the votes

curious TG - how do you know what is in that literature close to being accurate?  Where's the 3rd party confirmation? I don't trust anything coming from either the WH or the GOP on this issue.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/show/25947.html

 

"curious TG" - Watch how you

"curious TG" - Watch how you throw your TG's around: you are in danger of calling some New York guy a "Texas Grandmother."   :-)

LOL!!!

LOL!!!

President Obama said today,

President Obama said today, "The time for talk is over. It's time to vote. It's time to vote. Tired of talking about it," he told the crowd.

 me too!

No Health Care No Peace! 

No Health Care No Peace! 

Here's the latest (from

Here's the latest (from MSNBC) I'm hearing the Dem's have an extra bounce in their step today : )

WASHINGTON - House Democratic leaders on Thursday worked to rally their rank-and-file members around last-minute agreements on insurance taxes and prescription drug coverage that could move President Barack Obama's overhaul of the nation's health care system a step closer to reality.

Although some issues remained unresolved — including a divisive battle over restricting taxpayer funding of abortion — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said: "We have enough to move forward."

She asked Democrats at a two-hour, closed-door briefing whether they wanted to vote sooner rather than later on the legislation. They responded with a broad shout of "Yes!" according to lawmakers coming out of the session. 

Did they hear us shouting "YES" too ?

How many people do you know

How many people do you know that don't have anything at all and own homes, have jobs, and families depending on them? I know of too many people like this and perhaps this bill will help get things moving in the right direction.

Here is the bill - read it for yourself

http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill49.pdf

I agree with those who say,

I agree with those who say, "Pass something now."  We can tweak it later.

that will not

that will not happen

excellent article in the NYT (excerpt):


With health reform's fate suddenly in doubt, Mr. Obama lost much of his ability to arm-twist the political left into accepting an idea it hated: reducing the federal government's huge subsidies for high-cost insurance plans by taxing those plans. Labor leaders have warned that the tax would hurt workers. That isn't impossible, though research has shown that the highest-cost plans offer no better care than merely good plans. Mainly, the subsidies appear to benefit drug makers, hospitals and insurers. But to keep House liberals in the fold, the White House delayed the tax until 2018.

Conservative Blue Dog Democrats did not leap to the tax's defense because they're not sure about it, either. Many need union support in the midterm elections. Many are also struggling with the classic dilemma on health spending. They genuinely would like to control costs. They just don't like a lot of the specific ideas for cutting spending or raising taxes. Like all of us, they want to lose weight without eating less or exercising more.

This is why the Blue Dogs have never gotten behind a package of measures that would hold down costs.

The same is true of centrist Republicans like Olympia Snowe, George Voinovich and Mr. Brown. And conservative activists have done nothing to demand that Republicans support cost control. Indeed, the activists have tried to punish fiscally conservative Republicans.

Senator Robert Bennett, a Utah Republican, helped write a bill to give people more choice of insurance plans, creating more competition, and to reduce government subsidies for insurance. But he made the mistake of working with Democrats on the proposal (which went nowhere). Today, Mr. Bennett is at risk of losing the Republican nomination to a candidate backed by the Tea Party.

What we're left with, then, is this:

A bill that would spend about $950 billion over 10 years to help the uninsured and small-business employees buy insurance. Initially, the bill relies on accounting gimmicks to cover these costs. Most important, the insurance expansion does not start until 2014, holding down the 10-year cost. The taxes and Medicare and Medicaid cuts in the bill are then big enough to pay for the bill.

Over time, however, the cost savings are likely to rise more quickly than the spending, more than making up for the gimmicks.

The Medicare oversight board will crack down on unnecessary tests. Medicare pilot programs will grow. The insurance exchanges will spur competition. In the second decade, the Congressional Budget Office projects the bill would cut about $1 trillion from the deficit.

Critics have said, correctly, that this prediction might not come true. If the budget office took account of the uncertainty and the gimmicks, the $1 trillion savings estimate might well shrink. But to suggest that the most likely outcome is only marginal cost savings, or even cost increases, requires a selective reading of the evidence.

Over its history, the Congressional Budget Office has tended to the effect of cost-reduction efforts in Medicare. As doctors and hospitals adjust to new rules, they figure out how to be more efficient than economists expected. And Congress, in most previous cases, has not overturned legislation that phases in changes -- like the 2018 start date for the high-cost insurance tax. Looking at the whole picture, The Financial Times has said that the bill, "though flawed, is in fact a great step forward."

.......But that's unavoidable. We all wish that Congress could summon the wisdom to come up with a politically popular plan that would sharply cut costs. Waiting for that day to arrive, though, doesn't seem very conservative.

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/109034/health-cares-obstacle-no-will-to-cut

Your article points to the

Your article points to the exact reason we need a public option-but I thought you said you were against that?

I think we all agree the bill is far from perfect and much too insurance industry-friendly (and yet they fight it will multi-millions in ads as the vote draws near. Can we say greedy?)

But we also agree it's a good start-insuring an extra 30 million people is nothing to sneeze at-and something that can be improved upon over time. Despite what Republicans say, it's not a government take-over (we wish! They would not even debate single payer which was probably the best route and easiest to understand) and will reduce the deficit (the CBO is not using fake numbers-they are bipartisan, remember.) I wish the Democrats would show a graphic of the full bill highlighting all the GOP ideas so it's clear how much input they had. Much of this comes straight from GOP health care ideas of the past and present-they just won't admit it. In fact, the GOP ideas are part of why it's so kind to the insurance industry.

But I'll take baby steps towards a better health care system over the status quo any day. We'd be crazy not to. If you are worried about cost control and debt, the status quo will absolutely destroy the nation economically.

Kelly if you do nothing the

Kelly if you do nothing the nation can't even afford the spending it has now so that makes no sense.

This bill makes no economic sense and as far as the CBO - garbage in = garbage out.  How can you even then that the accounting gimmicks laid forth in this plan make sense and do anything to solve the issues.

competition is not a public option 

I am in no means against reform but these chuckleheads don't know their patoot from their elbows about good ideas.  Baby steps?  Did you read how nothing is of beneift to actually control medical costs can be addressed b/c of political bedfellows?  Insurance companies while they have a myriad of issues don't control medical inflation.

doesn't it make you wonder in the least bit why the bribes, the villification, reconcilliation is needed to pass this bill?  No alarm bells at all???

 

 

"...reconciliation is

"...reconciliation is needed to pass this bill? No alarm bells at all???"

Hell no! The only reason reconciliation is needed is because the GOP is adamantly against it because Obama is trying to get it through. Exactly one GOP member voted aye on the first round  of bills (Cao--LA). They don't care about ordinary Americans (30-50 million of them) who have no access to health care other than going to emergency rooms (the single most expensive manner of delivery of health services). They only seek to discredit Obama, no matter whether in doing so they screw everyone else.

Just about EVERY other civilized country has some form of health care for its citizens who could not otherwise afford it. But we are high and mighty in America... we know better. Those other countries are WRONG... we are right. And this national TV ad saying "Tell Congress to start over" on HCR... that would be tantamount to killing ANY reform (snicker, snicker! opponents of HCR don't realize this, I'm sure!). Not everyone in this country is stupid.

Is it going to cost $$$. Of course it is. But doing nothing is going to cost  MORE. Opponents realize this also... it's just not in their interest to say it too loudly!

 

 

I care not what the GOP

I care not what the GOP does - politics just like the Democrats and Obama.  End does not justify the means. Reconcillation is needed b/c even a large part of Democrats don't want to be attached to this monstrosity.

Bad economics, plain and simple.  The rest of the world is not working from our starting position so to imply that adopting their view is ludicrous. This bill will do precious little to reduce the cost of medical inflation and I wager it will do more to increase it.  Exactly who does that benefit?

You are right that not everyone in this country is stupid but thinking the gov't will be able to do anything more than create more problems.......

Experts say US doctors overtesting, overtreating

 

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If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. Ludwig von Mises

This is the process we have

This is the process we have to accept. We have to accept this as a start to reform. We can't wait around forever for the kind of competency in business or government you seem to want in order to get things moving. How many election cycles do we wait? We can't wait 10, 20, 30, 40 years. And short of a civilian revolt on a violent level, this is what we're stuck with.

How long do we wait until government can do anything or pass legislation competently, reasonably, sensibly pragmatically and with few mistakes as possible? How long do we wait for the big insurance companies and corporations to care about anything in the same manner other than their bottom line? How long can we wait for the private industry to be more fair to the costumer or care about their impact on the economy, the middle and lower classes instead of their profit-at-all-costs-no-matter-what attitude? 

We'd be waiting forever if we stuck to those standards unfortunately. You think we don't want the competency you seek? We do, but we can't wait around forever and some of us don't like the idea of violent revolt. Look how long it took us just to get back to big reform after '94. This is what we're stuck with.

as you can see gov't

as you can see gov't intervention is how we ended up with the system now - law of unintended consequences and these people have neither the aptitude or willingness to understand consequences of further involvement:

 

The current system of employer-provided health insurance traces back to domestic policy during the World War II era. Due to government policy, inflation grew both before and during WWII. As a “remedy,” caps on wage increases were imposed by the government. In response, employers began to offer their employees health insurance to soften the blow and attract quality workers.

The federal government did not consider an increase in health benefits a violation of these wage controls, and in 1943 the IRS ruled that health benefits were tax exempt for workers. After the wage caps were abolished, health insurance benefits became seen as the norm and were not eliminated. For instance, by the early 1960s, General Motors was paying 100% of the healthcare bills for their employees (retirees included).

So, anyone who claims that the high costs of health insurance originated in the "free market" is either severely mistaken or lying.

There are certain groups that profit from these governmental policies: lobbyists, who obviously carry a significant amount of political clout, and the bureaucrats themselves. However, there are many more losers than winners under the current state of affairs; and adding more government provisions would only increase the costs for taxpayers and insurance consumers.

 

 

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If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. Ludwig von Mises

The bill is necessary to

The bill is necessary to get the ball moving. Many of the complaints I'm hearing would be removed in the sidecar bill (special deals, etc.) and the other issues you talk about regarding cost containment, etc. can be solved through changes to this comprehensive package down the road. Insuring 30 million people is hardly a monstrosity (ask just one of them for their opinion!) We talk about loss of life in the wars we fight or in a terrorist attack-what about the lost lives due to lack of health care? Don't we see that as urgent? Don't we want to have some compassion and help these people? Insurance pemiums have gone up over 100% in the past 10 years while CEO get their huge salaries, bonuses, and stock options and they KICK PEOPLE OFF who really need coverage. Something does not seem right in that. If you are a woman who was the victim of domestic violence, that's a pre-existing condition! Come on!

Many complain about deal making from the Dem's but I think this is even worse. Look at the use of blackmail Graham is trying to invoke. What does doing reconciliation-something the GOP did often-have to do with whether they will work with Dem's on Immigration? And like the Dem's can trust them anyway! This is truly maddening!

From TPM:

Graham To Obama: Don't Use Reconciliation If You Want Immigration Reform
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is telling President Obama that there will not be bipartisan support for immigration reform if health care reconciliation goes forward. "I expressed, in no uncertain terms, my belief that immigration reform could come to a halt for the year if health care reconciliation goes forward ... Using reconciliation to push health care through will make it much harder for Congress to come together on a topic as important as immigration," Graham said in a statement.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is telling President Obama that there will not be bipartisan support for immigration reform if health care reconciliation goes forward.

The White House has said it wants to see evidence of bipartisan support for comprehensive immigration reform before it attempts to move a bill through Congress.

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My take on this immigration issue:

It has taken 100% of the President's political capital to push HCR through Congress, and he won't get any of it back.

I guess the reason they're attaching student loan provisions to the reconciliation bill is that it's the last ship heading out of the harbor until after the 2010 election.

Yep-they may want to add a

Yep-they may want to add a few other important things. However, if the GOP abandons immigration reform, it will only deepen the distrust of Hispanics, African Americans and they are a huge voting block to be concerned about. Can they really afford that?

Speaking of bipartisanship being a dream these days, I'm glad Dodd is now going solo on Financial Reform. Seemed like Corker was making some great deals for Loan Sharks but wasn't too interested in helping average Americans with silly things like a Consumer Protection Agency.

Latest on Health Care. Senate was open to public option (willing to push for votes) if House put it in but Pelosi confirmed today it won't be added. Bummer! But, you know what, if it meant losing votes or more delays on the overall reform, I think it's a wise move. I just hope they revisit again. Maybe they can change Fillibuster rules when the next Congress is sworn in to make such things a little easier?? Rep. Clybourn (House Whip) now says he expects a vote from the House in the next 10 days!! 

From NBC's Luke Russert:

Note: A source close to the Democratic leadership said that it looks like Saturday, March 20th will be the date of the health-care vote, if things proceed the way Dems think they will. It obviously could happen any time later in the week but the source said, "If I were to bet, I'd bet on Saturday."

I'm guessing Obama used March 18th as a "move it along" date to ensure it's done by Easter.

As early as Thursday or

As early as Thursday or Friday, Democrats said, they would first pass the health care bill already approved by the Senate... clearing the way for Mr. Obama to sign it, and then approve a package of changes in a separate bill that the Senate would also pass by a simple majority vote.

“I’m delighted that the president will be here for the passage of the bill,” Ms. Pelosi said. “It’s going to be historic. And it would not be possible without his tremendous, tremendous leadership, his persistence, his concern for the American people, always guided by his statement that we will measure our success by the progress being made by America’s working families....”

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I have guarded optimism that we are on the verge of a successful reform of historic proportions.
 
The dream lives on.

Rep. G.K. Butterfield,

Rep. G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C., said party leaders told the House caucus they have "a firm commitment" from the Senate to do its part.

double post

double post

From The Hill. Technically,

From The Hill. Technically, Pelosi does not have the votes yet, so keep calling those undecided Congress rep's. Maybe most on the the fence are just positioning themselves to broker a little??

... just positioning

... just positioning themselves to broker a little??

True... case in point

Obama says he wants projects helping specific states yanked from the health care bill in writing. Democratic senators, being senators, beg to differ.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday she's confident the House will pass health care legislation and dismissed Republican criticism that she did not have enough votes for the measure.

"We're very excited about where we are and will not be deterred by estimates that have no basis in fact," she said during a dedication of the renamed Lim P. Lee Post Office in San Francisco. The post office was renamed after the nation's first Chinese-American postmaster.

"I'm never dependent on Congressman Boehner's count. I never have," she said to a smattering of laughter from the crowd.

You probably think that

You probably think that insuring the uninsured will dramatically improve the nation's health. The uninsured don't get care or don't get it soon enough. With insurance, they won't be shortchanged; they'll be healthier. Simple.

Think again. I've written before that expanding health insurance would result, at best, in modest health gains. Studies of insurance's effects on health are hard to perform. Some find benefits; others don't. Medicare's introduction in 1966 produced no reduction in mortality; some studies of extensions of Medicaid for children didn't find gains. Economics writer Megan McArdle of The Atlantic examined the literature and emerged skeptical. Claims that the uninsured suffer tens of thousands of premature deaths are "open to question." Conceivably, the "lack of health insurance has no more impact on your health than lack of flood insurance," she writes.

How could this be? No one knows, but possible explanations include: (a) many uninsured are fairly healthy -- about two-fifths are between 18 and 34; (b) some are too sick to be helped or have problems rooted in personal behaviors -- smoking, diet, drinking or drug abuse; and (c) the uninsured already receive about 50 percent to 70 percent of the care of the insured from hospitals, clinics and doctors, estimates the Congressional Budget Office.

Though it seems compelling, covering the uninsured is not the health care system's major problem. The big problem is uncontrolled spending, which prices people out of the market and burdens government budgets. Obama claims his proposal checks spending. Just the opposite. When people get insurance, they use more health services. Spending rises. By the government's latest forecast, health spending goes from 17 percent of the economy in 2009 to 19 percent in 2019. Health "reform" would likely increase that....

He's telling people what they want to hear, not what they need to know. Whatever their sins, insurers are mainly intermediaries; they pass along the costs of the delivery system. In 2009, the largest 14 insurers had profits of roughly $9 billion; that approached 0.4 percent of total health spending of $2.472 trillion. This hardly explains high health costs. What people need to know is that Obama's plan evades health care's major problems and would worsen the budget outlook. It's a big new spending program when government hasn't paid for the spending programs it already has.

hhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/03/15/obamas_health_proposal_is_the_illusion_of_reform.html

 

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If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. Ludwig von Mises

It's official: Harry Reid

It's official:

Harry Reid formally notified Republicans on Thursday that he will attempt to pass the final changes to a healthcare overhaul through the budget process of reconciliation.

"We plan to use the regular budget reconciliation process that the Republican caucus has used many times," Reid said in his letter. "Keep in mind that reconciliation will not exclude Republicans from the legislative process."

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OK I got it, the bill did pass already in the Senate with 60 votes. The only thing going to reconciliation is 'The Fix' bill.

Said Sen. Tom Harkin,

Said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa: "The stars are aligning for victory on comprehensive health reform. The end is in sight."

If, like Obama

If, like Obama and Harkin, you believe that stars truly influence the success of health care bills, you might want to hop over to Wall Street Weather, where it's claimed  the stars were aligned when the health care bill passed 60 to 39 in the Senate on Christmas Eve, December 24, 2009, because

Pluto is the planetary energy of major transformation. First Pluto begins exposing what is wrong. Then the problem gets deeper until it reaches a critical mass. What is no longer working must die in order for it to be transformed and reborn into something more viable.

MoveOn Poll: Should

MoveOn Poll:

Should MoveOn support or oppose the final health care bill if it looks like the plan recently proposed by President Obama?

Support 83%
Oppose 17%

It seems pretty clear that "the kill-the-bill camp overwhelmingly lost the argument" among liberals. When the results are more than four-to-one in favor, it's hard to draw any other conclusion. -- MoveOn

Let me see... Howard Dean, Ed Schultz, DailyKos, MoveOn, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, and Wendell Potter all say that they should pass the bill. Take the deal and improve on it later.

Take the deal and improve on

Take the deal and improve on it later.

Exactly!! Extremist on BOTH sides drive me crazy. Pass the bill!!!  I've been quiet on this topic lately because I am just too passionate about it. I have trouble being objective about this.

Daily Show covered

Daily Show covered healthcare and Fox's coverage of the protests and their ads agains the bill. You know. Fair and balanced...

How many people have to die,

How many people have to die, an how many children lose their parents or parents suffer from the lose of children, before people realize Health Care has got to change? At this rate, we can't sustain the cost of every one useing the emergencey room when a Dr. visit would do the same at $75. office visit to $1,000 or more at emergency rooms. Often by the time the emergency room is used it's to late an they have to be put in the Hosp. at another 10,000 to 20,000 hosp. bill to no fault of their own an pre-screening by their Dr. could have saved the tax payers money. A lot of money! Pre-screened an affordable health Care could have saved my husbands life or pro longed it for yr's. Cost to the tax payer would have been a lot less in his care given the fact he took 2 emergency rooms, two ambulance's to transport him to two emergency rooms than into the Hosp. of two cities! A early screening would have found the Kidney cancer at it youngest stage, as it did my brother who survived now for 8 yrs., an no reoccuring cancer. He had Gov. Health Ins. for yrs as he worked at a Gov. plant. When he quit, he quit with full benifits, an when he became disabled, he was old enough for medcair that took over his treatment care of diabetic,heart desease, an pre-screenings for reocuring cancer. My Uncle lived yrs. through skin an prostate cancer as a Veteran he got FREE pre-screening care for his cancer for 15 yrs. My daughter just called me from colorado, she took a bad fall an didn't go to the Dr. becausse she can't afford ins., She ended up in the Hosp. with a terrible Elbow infection from the damage a week earlier that Antibiotics an a Dr.'s visit could have taken care of. She is lucky not to lose her arm at the Elbow. But, I had to send money for her to get more antibiotics they ordered her, or she would have had to return to the Hops. emergency room again an again to get enough hand out ones to survive the infection. Just WHO do you think pays for all that? She had a choice of paying for Rent/utilities/food or the Dr.'s visit, an she could have lost her job through it all. She is very lucky she works for kind people who has a lot of money, who could do with out her for a week or two. She is a nanny, an Ins. is not offered to her through her employment. For her to be covered sense she had a pre-exiting stroke yrs ago would have costed her $1,300. a month. So unless you live out in the real world, an come in contact daily with the real people who need health Care reform, it isn't a simple thing as saying it's their fault for not getting it in the first place. Republicans are out of touch with the people who are in need. My Senator Ben Nelsen finally listened to the people who has called upon him to add his name to the public option forum, an to vote for Health Care reform, but we wish our Republican Sen. Johann would do the same. He's a good guy, but The republicans blackmail their people to stay in step if they want election funding, an it's nasty in D.C right now to be a republican. Not all of them are bad. Just frightened/missguided an often wonder what will happen to them once they step out of line with their party.

I have a girlfriend who is

I have a girlfriend who is considering marrying a guy she has only been dating a very short time so she will have health insurance.  Her children are on her ex-husband's insurance, but she is self-employed as a realtor and can't afford health insurance for herself in the current market. 

The GOP's plans to open up the market to allow people to buy insurance across state lines would do nothing to help a forty-something year old woman.  It is inane to think that it would be any help at all.

What my friend needs is the public option of health insurance to buy into.  The end.

A friend of mine who is doctor said that if people need health insurance they should get married, join the military, or punch a cop.  Of course he was just kidding, but it really is true.

Paul Krugman: This is a

Paul Krugman: This is a reasonable, responsible plan. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

"So what’s the reality of the proposed reform? Compared with the Platonic ideal of reform, Obamacare comes up short. If the votes were there, I would much prefer to see Medicare for all.

For a real piece of passable legislation, however, it looks very good. It wouldn’t transform our health care system; in fact, Americans whose jobs come with health coverage would see little effect. But it would make a huge difference to the less fortunate among us, even as it would do more to control costs than anything we’ve done before. More

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Americans whose jobs come with health coverage would see little effect. The "little effect" it will have will be to stop such big increases in cost. Obama often says that the only thing that will change for those of us who have insurance is it will cost less. 

The Budget Committee markup

The Budget Committee markup has been scheduled on Monday at 3:00pm ET.

But still no CBO report

But still no CBO report yet, right? I know that was important in moving this to the next level. Between Stupak and Co. and now some upset over immigration language threatening to vote no, I'm still feeling nervous-but with Pres. Obama staying in town a few extra days before his overseas trip, I think he'll have a few chats with the right people to get this over the goal line. Pelosi is pretty good at getting votes, too-I think she can pull this off. Stay tuned...

BTW-abortion and immigration are not directly related to budget issues so I don't this they pass the test to be included in reconciliation anyway, right? All this fuss over something out of their control anyway? Maybe some just want an excuse to vote no...

But still no CBO report

But still no CBO report yet, right?

Monday

Forgive my ignorance. The

Forgive my ignorance. The mark-up is the CBO report or the mark up indicates they'll have the report by then to move forward? I guess I lack knowledge on the details here : (

Open-Left explains the

Open-Left explains the process better than I can.

Nate Silver on the public

Nate Silver on the public option loss.

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